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2006-06-22 Interview with William B. Keightley, June 22, 2006 AF008:2006OH076A/F712 0:47:28 William B. Keightley Oral History Project Louie B. Nunn Center for Oral History, University of Kentucky Libraries University of Kentucky -- Basketball. University of Kentucky -- Basketball (2006-2007) Camara, Jules. Orbrzut, Lukasz. Brown, Dale. Phelps, Digger. Pitino, Rick. Smith, Tubby. Barnhart, Mitch. NCAA Basketball Tournament. Sports -- Press coverage -- Kentucky. Sports -- Press coverage -- United States. College sports -- Kentucky -- Recruiting. Keightley, William B.; Interviewee Suchanek, Jeffrey; Interviewer keightley_af_0712 1:|16(13)|28(13)|44(8)|59(12)|82(18)|94(14)|103(8)|114(2)|121(2)|133(11)|154(6)|161(12)|168(10)|177(13)|187(14)|195(8)|204(12)|215(8)|231(4)|247(9)|258(6)|264(3)|277(15)|297(7)|318(7)|341(12)|351(7)|365(12)|374(12)|391(7)|404(10)|415(14)|423(13)|446(7)|457(5)|464(9)|475(7)|494(15)|518(3)|537(1)|559(8)|568(12)|577(9)|587(1)|597(6)|614(4)|639(7) audiotrans BKeight interview SUCHANEK: All right um, it's June the 22nd, 2006, this is Jeff Suchanek, I'm interviewing Mr. William B. Keightley again for the Charles T. Wellington Alumni Faculty Oral history Project. We're in Memorial Coliseum in Mr. Keightley's office at about oh, 10 after nine in the morning. Uh, first of all I always like to get caught up on current events, Mr. Keightley and I don't know if you saw the Courier Journal this morning but... KEIGHTLEY: No sir. SUCHANEK: They had a, their lead editorial was about UK losing out on this recruit from New Jersey... KEIGHTLEY: Yes sir. SUCHANEK: And, how that that's not a bad thing that there's more important things to this state than, then UK losing a top recruit and went on to talk about Lee Todd's leadership here and, and Lee Todd pointing out the fact that we're, Kentucky's on the down, the wrong side of so many different statistics that, you know, this is, this is one thing we shouldn't be worried about, in that, you know, people need to start, in this state, need to start worrying about more than basketball. What happened with that, with, first of all, what happens with the recruiting process with this particular player, what you know of and I know one of the articles in the Herald Leader said that this young fellow decided he'd rather go to Gainesville and sit on the bench at the University of Florida then come here and start. (SUCHANEK: laughing). KEIGHTLEY: Yes, yes. (KEIGHTLEY: laughing). Well, you know, Jeff, talk is cheap. Yes, it, it, it's really cheap. Uh, you know, this was a, was a nice kid and, of course, we would have liked to have had him but you, you never want anyone to come into your team (unintelligible) if they're not going to be happy. And, I, I think basically he's had a little problem of deciding really where he wanted to go to school originally as you know he had, he signed a contract or a scholarship with North Carolina State and then the when Coach Sendek left, NCAA, which, which is a good move, I mean, if they signed with a, with a, maybe he signed with the coach instead of the school. You see what I'm saying? SUCHANEK: Right. KEIGHTLEY: He might've liked the coach better than he did the school. But I think the NCAA did absolutely the right thing by allowing a, a kid when there is a, a change like that to free him up to... SUCHANEK: Pursue other options. KEIGHTLEY: Yeah, yeah. Make another decision. (SUCHANEK: laughing). And I know he visited several different schools. I might have been a bit leery when he didn't commit reasonably early because he had a good visit here and, and we had playing time available. SUCHANEK: Um hum. KEIGHTLEY: But then, you know, on the other side of the coin, I would expect that, I don't know how close Dan was to Herb Sendek and Herbs one of the, one of the fine people I've ever known in my life. SUCHANEK: Um hum. KEIGHTLEY: And I'm sure that Herb probably, maybe had some influence on him. I really thought the kid might, he went back to visit with North Carolina State again and I thought he might decide to go there. But, now, you know, I don't know that, that Herb spoke with the young man but I would say having been with Herb and Billy Donovan for four years, something like that, Herb and Billy Donovan were just like brothers. I mean, they'd been in the bunker together, see? We, we all had worked for Rick. SUCHANEK: Right. KEIGHTLEY: And, you know, it, it's kind of a binding process. (KEIGHTLEY and SUCHANEK: laughing). See, you rely on each other to get through this thing. And I'm sure that if... SUCHANEK: Right. Those, those, those 5 a.m. practices, right? KEIGHTLEY: Right. SUCHANEK: With Rick. KEIGHTLEY: Yes, yes. SUCHANEK: One-on-one with Rick. KEIGHTLEY: But I'm sure if, if, if, if the young man, you know, spoke with Herb, I'm sure that Herb, naturally, I would do the same thing, would recommend that he go to Florida and play for Billy because he and Billy are best friends. And I'd do the same thing so, you know, that process is all legal and good and, you know, we wish the best for the young man and I, you know, I guess you want to seek comfort (SUCHANEK: laughing). Apparently, you know, he liked the climate, that's good. But, also, you know, it's, that area is known for, well, it's, it's, in case you've been reading in the newspaper where, when Florida and Georgia play football, it's called worlds largest cocktail party. Well, Florida, you know, is pretty much... SUCHANEK: A party school. KEIGHTLEY: A party school. And now, I don't know if the kid likes that kind of life. If, if he does, then he made a great decision. And, but I do, you know, I, I wish the young man well because he is a nice young man. I liked his parents. But, you know, that happens in this business. So, I'm sure we, we've landed from here and, in these four freshmen that we have that other people would have liked to have had. But, then, they saw something here that struck their fancy so, they came to the University of Kentucky so, that's what you've got to look for. You've got to have something to offer that they going to totally enjoyed or at least they think they are and they want to be part of it so, I'm proud of the four young men we have in they are good solid Kentucky players. I, they've been here for about two weeks in summer school and really nice young men and I'm, I'm excited about them. Hopefully, we have the nucleus of a bunch of returning veterans and I, I think we can, we'll be able to stand the fact that we lost a recruit and, as you say, you know what, there are more important things in life today than just losing a recruit to another school. SUCHANEK: Two issues that I want to explore here, one is, again, we talked last time about the athletic director mentioning about Coach Smith not being in the public enough doing, you know, public events enough or whatever. What affect will this, does this just to add to the discontent out there in, in Kentucky over the state of Kentucky basketball losing this recruit now? KEIGHTLEY: Oh Jeff no, no, I don't really think so and I don't think that Mitch had any intention of that being controversial thing and he didn't mean anything personal. It's a fact that demands in this program is so great it's difficult to be everything to all people, at all times. And that's what people, when one person will say wants Tubby, they're disappointed if Tubby can't be there. And you know, in his case, he has to make commitments in advance and then something may, may come up where he cannot keep the commitment. And that, it's, it's just hard to be all places at all times and, and I, yes, I read that article and I thought, I thought, I call him Coach Barnhart, I thought he expressed himself well and still supported Tubby in making that statement. You know, when you're head of a department you just can't go in a shell. You've got, if people ask you questions you have to be available to answer them and Mitch Barnhart I think does a great job of that. SUCHANEK: Um hum, um hum, coupled with the fact that, you know, the new preseason polls have just come out and you know Kentucky isn't even listed in the top 25 in some of these polls, you know, again this issue, does that make it harder for Coach Smith? KEIGHTLEY: Well, you know, the expectations here, of course, is always you got to win a national championship which we've won seven but there's only one more school that won more and we have the most storied program in collegiate basketball in fact we've won more college games. I, the people of this state are not accustomed, not be listed really in the top 10. SUCHANEK: The top five. (SUCHANEK: laughing). KEIGHTLEY: Yeah, that's right. But we've stayed... SUCHANEK: Number one! KEIGHTLEY: Yeah, number one! Yeah, they want you to be number one go from wire-to-wire. Oh yes, you know, there'll be people that's disappointed in that but by the same token they care. You know, as I've said before... SUCHANEK: If no one cared it, it wouldn't... KEIGHTLEY: That's right it's, it's, it's a... SUCHANEK: Double edged sword, isn't it? KEIGHTLEY: It's a common bond, is basketball in the state of Kentucky and, that doesn't distress me really at all because I know like Dick Parsons used to say you know and many, many others today, you know, it's not where you start it's where you finish. And, any, any poll that excludes us from the top 25 really, really have not done their homework. They have become victims of Internet and gossip and whatever in doing their homework instead of sticking with the cold hard facts because we really improved our, our team this year by subtraction. In that, you know it's probably difficult for some people to comprehend but that's the way it is because we were a little overloaded at the, at the, at the one and two spots and now we've got, we lost two people from those positions in both of them were really, really fine players but we have other people that's maturing and will step into these roles and we will probably function better as a unit. And, we've got, you know, they're a year older and a year stronger and, you know, we got to remember that I don't know how many people ever think back about it, but here was LSU in the final four and we're on their home court with 13 seconds to go, the score tied, I mean, it's not like, you know, we were putty in some people's hands. And now we, we did not play Florida very well this year but it was a match up problem. Next year, we'll see. We'll match them better next year than we did this year. So, we'll see, we'll see what happens there so, I'm really, really excited and optimistic and looking forward to a good, competitive year. I, I just know our personnel I know are how they're working so, yeah, I'm the one that probably is the least concerned about what our record was last year. And want to equitate(sic) it about what I might think this year because we, we will be a much better ball club. SUCHANEK: The other issue I wanted to explore was since the Courier-Journal did have this editorial in this morning's paper the relationship with the media and the UK basketball program; it's had its ups and downs over the years. What is, what role should the media play in relationship to the program and how have they, in, in your opinion, treated the program over the years? KEIGHTLEY: Oh Jeff, you know, that's a difficult question. Number one, of course, I, I give the media credit for creating the interest in Kentucky basketball. You know, we were talking about exposure. Exposure is what you want and if they write about you all the time, you know what? It's beneficial to you. Now, occasionally there's little down sides and we, you know, we think there is improper journalism, which, which there is. It's just a matter of one persons opinion, but overall, I guess maybe you and myself, we pay more attention to what's going on in our local papers than we would say, what's going on down in Tennessee in their local paper. I'm sure that the same situation exists there. I don't think it's really, we probably basketball wise are more in a fishbowl that say University of Tennessee or University of Florida because it's something everybody cares about and, you know, our, our writers in the area knows what sells newspapers. And, knows where the interest lies so consequently they write a lot about Kentucky basketball. But, you know, there's so many positive articles and I, I never look for the negative really. SUCHANEK: Aren't there, aren't there some reporters though that almost take delight in exposing the dark side of programs and that kind of thing? KEIGHTLEY: Well, it, yes it's kind of Jeff, like today you know there's not any radio stations anymore that, that maybe programs music. All of them are, are talk shows. Everything is a talk show and if you listen to those talk shows, you're going to get a lot of the dark side. And, occasionally, you know, a writer may write an article that's somewhat derogatory but, by the same token, it creates interest. And, as I say, I try not to worry about any negative articles. I, at times wished they would be a little more concise in the information that they, they may put it in the newspaper and print it. You know how people are, if they, if they see it in print, they think it's a fact. Now, when something is in a article and it is incorrect and the writer or the paper per se, editor, whoever sees that it's incorrect they run a correction but they put it somewhere in the paper where no one ever sees it. SUCHANEK: Right. Page 10. KEIGHTLEY: So if, if there is something that's really negative, and damaging, it sometimes, it does not properly, get properly corrected. SUCHANEK: How would you characterize the media's coverage over the years of the basketball program? You think the, the media's been fair to the program or overly critical or how would you... KEIGHTLEY: Oh I, you know what, over the years, and now, I think, I give, I give the media thumbs up over the years. You know, for years and years and years you would never get a derogatory word but again, as I've stated, we go over my life times have changed and there is more negative journalism today than we've ever known. SUCHANEK: Ever since Watergate. KEIGHTLEY: That's right. I was thinking about the political field and there is so much negative journalism and, you know, its kind of that he said, I said sort of thing. SUCHANEK: They're trying to play gotcha. KEIGHTLEY: Right, yes, right, gotcha, yes. But, overall, I think we've had a really a fair shake from the media and the broadcasters. Yes. SUCHANEK: Who were some of your favorite writers and some of the writers that you respected the most? Like Billy Reed would he be one? KEIGHTLEY: Billy Reed was a great writer, yes, Billy Reed. You know, as people age they become better writers. SUCHANEK: Hopefully we become better people. KEIGHTLEY: Billy Reed was a good one. We had, well I go back now to people that not many even probably remember, but a guy like Billy Thompson that wrote for the, for the Lexington Herald. Well, it was, and also we had the Lexington Leader. Russell Rice was a good writer and later became, he was the director of media relations for the athletic department and Larry Beck, Earl Ruby from the Courier Journal. SUCHANEK: What about Oscar Combs? KEIGHTLEY: Well, Oscar Combs started the Cats' Paws and, you know what Oscar was as a Kentucky fan, and, and he sold his newspaper in Hazard, came to Lexington, started writing the Cats' Paws and then, well he was the sole writer for a while. And, you know, the thing took off and then he, he engaged other, other writers to have a column in his paper and Oscar made that thing quite successful. And Oscar has a lot of great ideas, always has. He's not going, Oscar is one that will stay positive over the long haul because he, he didn't have anything to gain by negative journalism. So, yes, Oscar, Oscar was a good writer and another fellow that, that has been great for us here and, in, in the media field although he's behind-the-scenes is Jim Host, you know, Host Communications. He's been a great friend to the University and has always been very positive and kept, he kept the University in the limelight all over America because now, you know, Host Communications has so many large schools that they, they control their publications and so he, he... SUCHANEK: It's a media empire, isn't it? KEIGHTLEY: It's, it's, that's right. It absolutely is. SUCHANEK: How about Mark Story? KEIGHTLEY: Mark Story, you know what, Mark Story is a good writer. He really is. He has, you know, I, I love his, his, I guess his way, his usage of words. I think, I think Mark is, is really a good writer. And I know you've got to beat writers, I mean, John Clay is a good little old guy. And they all, they are fair and, as I say, I really, really don't have an ax to grind with any of the media people here. They're trying to do their job and put the information they think people want to hear out there but occasionally someone will cover an article and maybe not thoroughly investigate what they're reporting. SUCHANEK: Do they, do they, do they ever call Bill Keightley and, and ask for some information? KEIGHTLEY: Oh, yes siree. You won't find me in the phone book. This got, I had to get my, get my, I got a private number. SUCHANEK: Um hum, unlisted? KEIGHTLEY: Now, that's one thing they do but you know what, again, I'll defend them, in the fact that their business is to get the word out there but you don't like to get called at one o'clock in the morning. SUCHANEK: To confirm a story. KEIGHTLEY: Well yes, or maybe you haven't even heard it yourself before it gets to be an emergency like that. But oh yes, that's there are so many little things and, in this sport you, you just have to be aware of. You get... SUCHANEK: It's hard for you, in your position though if you're talking to a reporter and he is calling you to confirm a fact or something for a story and, you know, being an employee of the University, of the basketball program especially if it's something negative that's going on in, it puts you in kind of a peculiar position doesn't it? KEIGHTLEY: Well yes, but again... SUCHANEK: Because I, you know I, I, you're a straight shooter and your not going to tell somebody an untruth. KEIGHTLEY: No, no I'm not going to tell 'em an untruth but I will be, I will be evasive. SUCHANEK: Circumspect. KEIGHTLEY: Yes, right. That's right. (KEIGHTLEY and SUCHANEK: laughing). SUCHANEK: And over the years you've, you've learned how to do that, haven't you? KEIGHTLEY: Yes, yes, I, yeah, yes and, you know, you've got to think about when they ask you a question about everyone that would be... SUCHANEK: Affected. KEIGHTLEY: Concerned in, in this question. Who would it affect? Would it affect Dr. Todd? Would it affect Tubby? Would it affect Mitch? You got to think now how would each one of these people handle this question that's just been asked me? So, you know, you, you just defer it as much as you can and move on. Or be like a Happy Chandler used to be. They ask him a question and by the time he got through talking about it he wasn't even talking about that question. SUCHANEK: Exactly (laughing). KEIGHTLEY: He was somewhere else, so... SUCHANEK: Diversion. KEIGHTLEY: That's right, diversion, that's it. SUCHANEK: Do people talk to you off the record, too? You know, to... KEIGHTLEY: Well, it, it, to a degree yes, yes, to a degree. And then sometimes I wish they wouldn't, you know. (KEIGHTLEY and SUCHANEK: laughing). Yeah, yes, I dislike somebody telling me something that's totally confidential. And then, next thing I know, I see it or hear it. (SUCHANEK: laughing). I, I would prefer not to have known it when that situation comes up. (SUCHANEK and KEIGHTLEY: laughing). But yes, it happens, it's just, it's just life, I mean, it's people that want to talk to somebody about, you know, adverse situations or whatever and, and would like, you know, your input to see what you think but I, I really don't like to get put into that situation because the word gets out there and they all, they start to thinking now who did I tell? But then there's X. amount of people that everything they tell you is on the QT and yet they tell everybody they see. (SUCHANEK: laughing). That, that's really prevalent in this business. SUCHANEK: I'll bet. KEIGHTLEY: Yeah, yeah. SUCHANEK: How about the national media? How do you think the national media has treated the basketball program over the years? KEIGHTLEY: Oh, I, I think, I, I think the national media has been good, I really do. Sports Illustrated got a little tough on Rick one time right now, let's see, that little guy Curry Kirkpatrick really, you know, you wouldn't want to point out his shortcomings but he, he, and he's still around but he has been in hot water with his, the people that he has written for because apparently he double dipped on a bunch of things that was very improper or that you get terminated for and which he did to a degree. But he was very unkind to Rick. Probably, the most negative, probably the most negative article that I've read. You know, Rick, Rick would not even interview with anyone from Sports Illustrated. Now I don't know if he's lifted that ban or not, I don't know. SUCHANEK: How about, you know, folks like Frank DeFord or Feinstein? KEIGHTLEY: Well, yes, I, Feinstein I, I think I've, I have one of his books here but I haven't read it. Sometimes a, that one particular person maybe I wouldn't endorse 100%. But, by and large, you know, you go, not the writers but broadcasters like Dick Vitale has always been good, of course, most of our fans think Billy Packer is, you know, is taboo. SUCHANEK: Well, you know, over the years, you know, listening, I think in the past couple years, just my opinion, he's become more evenhanded in his treatment of the basketball program. KEIGHTLEY: Yeah. SUCHANEK: But I think, you know, for a while there, I think there was, there was cause to question his objectivity. KEIGHTLEY: Yes. SUCHANEK: By some of his comments. KEIGHTLEY: Yes. SUCHANEK: Did you have any relationship with Billy Packer? KEIGHTLEY: Oh Lord, yes, yesiree. I've known Billy since he coached at Wake Forest. Yeah, I've known him and you know what? That, I like Billy, myself. Because he is, well he is, he's always been congenial and friendly just like, you know, Dean Smith. I knew Dean Smith when he was a player and there's a few of them, you know, like Dean who occasionally sends me a note. Dale Brown, you know, I get communications from Dale all the time. (SUCHANEK: laughing). But back to the media, you know, today we have so many really fine young people out there. I'll tell you one of my very favorites of all time was a young man came here to the basketball camp in 1980 is Clark Kellogg. Very fair. Jay Bilas, Jay Bilas is another one. A really, really nice, nice people. And then you have, of course, Vern Lundquist and, and Bill Rafferty. See those, those people are irreplaceable. SUCHANEK: Uh huh. How about Al McGuire? Did you have any relationship with Al McGuire? KEIGHTLEY: Oh yes, yes, you know what? Al, of course, back in the days when he was coaching, he was a nemesis of Adolph. No one liked Al. But, you know, after Al got out of coaching and got into the broadcasting, I got really, really pretty close to Al. You know, he was a very complex person but actually he, he was always fair. I mean, he has said, you know, in some of his preparing for games with the University of Kentucky, he did some things that really was not ethical. You know, his approach to the racial thing and he, you know, he regretted that because it wasn't true. And, I was sorry to see Al pass away at an early age, really. But he was a, he was a hard and fast liver, I can tell you. (KEIGHTLEY and SUCHANEK: laughing). He, he used to, when he was doing the network games he would always come to a practice and he would always get me to come and sit with them. I'm talking about in practice to identify the players. He, you'd have to tell him 40 times who the star was because he couldn't remember the name. (SUCHANEK and KEIGHTLEY: laughing). He, he just could not get it straight. But, I mean, he worked at it and he became, you know, he became a good broadcaster. SUCHANEK: Oh yeah, he was one of the more colorful broadcasters. KEIGHTLEY: Yes, yes, yesiree. SUCHANEK: How about Digger Phelps? KEIGHTLEY: Yes, I, I... SUCHANEK: As, as a commentator? KEIGHTLEY: Digger, Digger is one of those that probably, maybe unknowingly to him, but also maybe knowingly, has never been a really a proponent to the University of Kentucky. You know, he, when he coached at Notre Dame we played him in Louisville every year. SUCHANEK: That might have had something to do with it. KEIGHTLEY: Yeah. (KEIGHTLEY and SUCHANEK: laughing). Um, their reason that we played them there was, back in the oh, mid 50's, on up into the 60's, Notre Dame basketball was struggling. And, we played that game at Freedom Hall in Louisville every year just to help Notre Dame athletic department. And then, you know, Digger had some success there at Notre Dame. He, he was a good recruiter and he got to building the program and then he about got bigger than the program because he wanted us to cancel that game in Freedom Hall and then play home, at home. After they really got their program going, it wasn't... SUCHANEK: When he had the Kelly Tripucka and the Hanzlick's and those people. KEIGHTLEY: And then he, you know, when you play, when you play a home game you furnish the basketballs. And, I mean, the home team is responsible for the balls you play with. Well, coach Rupp was here and Coach Rupp had an endorsement with Spaulding and it had Adolph F. Rupp name on the ball. Before a game in Louisville, Digger refused to play if we didn't change the ball. Which we didn't change the ball and we played but I'm talking about before the game. He created a little controversy but then, after all that's said and done, I mean, I know Digger and he treats me with respect and I returned his respect because again, he is a little bit different but I don't care. Anytime we play, he always predicts the other team is going to win. Now, as I say, I don't know if he is aware he's doing this but I would suspect that he does. SUCHANEK: Uh hum, now certainly schools like Duke and North Carolina have been very successful but do you think the national media has a bias towards those schools as opposed to Kentucky? KEIGHTLEY: Well, I think, I think maybe I won't say on North Carolina but I think maybe Duke gets a little bit of a break nationally. I think maybe, maybe somewhat overrated, the, I'm talking about the national medias perception of the Duke's program. I know, you know they've had great success but they want to make a big thing out of that, that Cameron, you know... SUCHANEK: Indoor Stadium. KEIGHTLEY: Yeah, indoor Stadium. They want to make a big thing out of that. You know what? SUCHANEK: Cameron crazies. KEIGHTLEY: Yeah, but you know what? You let us, you give us a gym that seats 9500 and will show you the same thing. SUCHANEK: Um hum. KEIGHTLEY: Dan, I'm going to tell you where it really shows up. Now I know the national media hasn't noticed this but me being from Kentucky, I have noticed it. Like in, in, in the NCAA tournament you can go into a big arena where Kentucky is playing and Duke is playing and we'll have twice as many fans as Duke and there is a reason for that. The Duke fans really don't get to see the Duke team at the Cameron indoor Stadium because the students are the ones that get in. And so they don't follow them on the road. SUCHANEK: Can't afford it. KEIGHTLEY: Like, like the people follow the University of Kentucky. Now they, you go to New York and they got really a larger alumni group in the state of New York so they, you know, they'll have a continuous crowd there. SUCHANEK: At Madison Square Garden, right? KEIGHTLEY: But you put her, you put her out in Utah and see how many is there? And will see how many from Kentucky is there. SUCHANEK: Right. Well I mean they, they always say the SEC tournament is really a Kentucky home game. KEIGHTLEY: Yes, right, yes. But, I, I suspect that the media has over emphasized that a bit. SUCHANEK: How much is that due to coach Krzyzewski? KEIGHTLEY: Well, he is a, you know, he's a very popular man sometimes I really wonder what you know about the NCAA. They want to keep everything on, you know, a level playing field yet, you know, in the NCAA tournament he'll be featured on advertisements. SUCHANEK: Credit cards. KEIGHTLEY: Yes. Even no, I believe even one of the motor companies. Maybe, I don't know was it General Motors or who he even did a commercial for them and it, it's shown during the NCAA tournament which to me seems like the playing field really is not level. SUCHANEK: Right, because he's not just representing himself. KEIGHTLEY: No. SUCHANEK: He is representing Duke. KEIGHTLEY: Yes. And then he represents, you know, a public service announcement. SUCHANEK: Right KEIGHTLEY: For the NCAA. SUCHANEK: Right. KEIGHTLEY: They'll have him on there for that so... SUCHANEK: It's free promotion. KEIGHTLEY: Yep. But now, I like Coach K, too. I also know, he seems to have a little problem with his assistant coaches when they assume the responsibility of being head coaches at, at other schools. It seems like they run amok of NCAA rules from somewhere which leaves you sometimes to wonder... SUCHANEK: Where'd they learn that? KEIGHTLEY: Where'd they learn this? I just, uh, but you probably noticed that too. (SUCHANEK and KEIGHTLEY: laughing). Yes, well, but it's,he, he is a great coach and a great recruiter and he gets naturally, although I've been told, I can't say this, I might be like some of the journalistic majors now that, you know, the average SAT score for Duke students is around 1200 but they also have a sliding scale for their athletes. But if you, if you listen to the national media you wouldn't be aware that that might be the situation and I'm not going to say 100% that that's the way it is that I've been told that. But I wouldn't go on record as saying they have different standards if they're an athlete. SUCHANEK: Well, I think, would you say it's accurate to say that when you come to work for the University of Kentucky basketball program the expectation is that in, in the realization when you accept the job is that it's a fishbowl kind of job rather than, as you say, if you went to work for the University of Tennessee basketball program you don't get that kind of, as you say, maybe the local media scrutinizes them and maybe we just don't know about it but certainly not the national media scrutiny? KEIGHTLEY: Yes, that, that, very true, very true, yes. We, we get national scrutiny yes, yes we do. And, and, you know, again, by and large, the scrutiny has been okay. I, but it's, I'll tell you this, it's, it's a very interesting, if you want to call it a career, it's very interesting. The main thing is, Jeff, every day when you come to work; we'll call it work, it's different. There's no way in the world that you can get bored. Because every day is another chapter in your life,(loud phone ringing and background) because every day is something a little bit different transpires. And of course, I guess, that is a fact because (unintelligible) working; you're working with young people. And, that was one of my managers calling from Texas. He is out there working with that ABA USA 18 and under AAU team. It's going to travel somewhere over the world, I don't know where. SUCHANEK: Well, you know, well as you were just saying, your phone just rang, that could be anybody calling you. From the national media person to Dean Smith or you know, in your in your position here, looking at your life, this job has, has giving you access to people growing up in a little town in Kentucky you would have never thought that you would have had the opportunity and certainly meeting and circulating with these kind of people as enriched your life I imagine? KEIGHTLEY: Yes, it does and you know, you're right, you never know who, who you're going to speak with. Yesterday I got a call from James Dickey, who was an assistant code to your see during Eddie Sutton's tenure and then you mention Steve Smith and I talked with a Steve Smith from Oak Hill day before yesterday, he called. And of course, Steve is from Wilmore but he is, you know, he's got a dynasty there. We discussed that the other day. SUCHANEK: Right. KEIGHTLEY: You were talking about, you know, he is, they're classified as a high school basketball team but, you know... SUCHANEK: It's really a prep school, isn't it? KEIGHTLEY: It's a prep school, really. And I know I was kidding you about he's asking about how things were here you know with the 13 loss season and I said well, you know, it didn't meet expectations, I said, I guess we need to be just like you because you hardly ever lose a game. He said; let me tell you something, I'm smart enough to know not to leave this place. (KEIGHTLEY and SUCHANEK: laughing). Yes sir, because the alumni, the alums of Oak Hill can't get too restless. SUCHANEK: That's right, exactly. And they've had, you know they've had, quite a litany of stars go through there. Future stars. KEIGHTLEY: Oh, they have, like Who's Who in basketball. It's amazing. SUCHANEK: Just recently, you know, Rajon Rondo came from there and... KEIGHTLEY: Yeah, right, yes and we've had Ron Mercer, Cliff Hawkins, so, you know, there's been, we had Jules Camara. That's just, that's just in the recent years. SUCHANEK: Right, exactly, exactly, uh huh. KEIGHTLEY: So. SUCHANEK: There's another, there's another prep school up in Maine and I can't, I forget, I forget which school. Do you recall? It, it's sort of like Oak Hill but... KEIGHTLEY: Yeah, that's, that's where Obrzut went to school. SUCHANEK: Yeah. KEIGHTLEY: Maine Central. SUCHANEK: Uh huh. KEIGHTLEY: Maine Central. Yeah, it's another school a lot like Oak Hill. SUCHANEK: I forget, is Woo coming back this year? KEIGHTLEY: Oh yeah, yeah, Woos back. Yes, yes. SUCHANEK: So he's a senior? KEIGHTLEY: Yes, he's 270 pounds of lumbering giant. (KEIGHTLEY and SUCHANEK: laughing). SUCHANEK: Well lets, I know you have to get someplace, let's stop for today and, and will continue next time. KEIGHTLEY: Okay. SUCHANEK: Okay? KEIGHTLEY: Okay. All right sir. This interview focuses mainly on the local and national media and its treatment of UK basketball. Mr. Keightley discusses local reporters and TV commentators, his relationship with them, and national media treatment of UK. He also discusses the expectations the Kentuckians place on the UK basketball coaches and players each year. Additionally, he covers the loss of a recent recruit, recruiting in general, and the professional relationship between UK Athletics Director, Mitch Barnhart and Tubby Smith. UKAW; University of Kentucky Men's Basketball